Forum - Astrodienst
Everything about astrological research
- Ray Murphy:
This thread has been started so that anything related to
astrological research can mentioned, and I suggest that challenging
and questions should be very welcome if we are to make some headway.
Where will we start?
(case study, anecdotal information)
Partridge: Astrological indicators of attention
deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and attention deficit disorder
Notice that the ADB
category ADHD mentioned only 16 cases out of 55000 in the control
group (0,03%) against at least 3300 (6 %) expected.
This bias is called systematic underreporting.
is estimated to affect about 6-7% of people aged 18 and under when
diagnosed via the DSM-IV criteria.
evident problem here is that ADB editors - like ADB or enneagram
Forum posters - are not interested in categorising their entries
correctly. But getting attention with by incident found fitting their
theory cases, could be a welcome motivater to behave in some weird
some bias or laziness could be expected in this category. As ADB
editors only tend to enter somebody into a category, when it fits
their view. So, a major problem of the ADB is that categories are not
more objective approach would be to let the Wikipedia do this
categorising job. As most Wikipedia editors are not astrologers, but
layman interested in the facts. Wikipedia descriptions are more in
line with the current opinions.
this reason we developed GitHub
is a Python program that calculates Enneagram scores of persons
based on astrological statistics.
real Aquarian (case study, anecdotal information)
- Ray Murphy: Many years ago I was on a sub-committee that
was organizing an end of year astrology party (which included
entertainment) and it all went remarkably smoothly. Finally when all
the plans had been put in place we sat back congratulating
ourselves, I said to one of the other astrologers "Hasn't this
been an amazing experience -- all of us working together so well
without anyone actually leading us?"
She snapped back with a knowing smirk "Whaddya mean - No one
leading - I was put in charge of leading the group, but my Triple
Aquarius made me keep the groups ideas in mind first, instead of
just my own!"
words with chart factors (just another approach to prove the
truth of mime's)
- Ray Murphy:
Hi All, I will be writing a trial program that aims to show
astrological factors based on the frequent use of various words when
large amounts of general conversation or books etc are processed.
research tool now released (Look and find, no mention of the
The new Astrodatabank research tool has now been released for
general use, after a few months of testing. It allows selection of
Astrodatabank data by numerous astrological criteria with many
combinations. Subscribers of the service 'extended data storage' can
also search their own database with the same search patterns:
as divination (See also Geoffrey Cornelius: The Moment of
Astrology. Origins in Divination)
After years of trying to get my head around the question of why
astrology works (if it does) I have been edging towards the answer
as divination. What do you think?
- Mr. Chair:
How could astrology be important for society at this time or in the
future? Do any of you believe that your astrological work is
ultimately for the benefit of society, whether through small or
large contributions? Are there ways that people think astrology
could be applied beneficially if it's usefulness were demonstrated
to people in control (I'm using the term "people in control"
vaguely)? How has astrology been beneficial so far? How does this
contrast with how it is most often used?
- SandraCapi: Hi. This a beginner's question. I read
astrology books and articles where the author states, if the owner
of the astrologer chart has this aspect, this is likely to be true.
How have astrology statements been tested, or researched or proven?
For example a person with sun in aries is said to be more impulsive
than other signs. Has that ever been tested? I am sure it would be
hard to isolate chart factors for testing. Please do not give a
history lesson here. How is current astrology research done? And how
is past astrology proven? Where can I find this research?
salyangozun sol anteni (Dutch:
slak's linker antenne): Have you ever visited the links
: Art Critic / Adb
(See also: Data
mining and The
- xor___: Hello, I've
studied distribution of birth dates in connection with a lifetime
using birth and death records and found there is a higher risk of
premature death exist for people born in certain seasons of an year
- for each geographiocal area correspond different season. Also I've
found a higher rate of both exaltation and detriment of Venus
according to the Human Design System in serial killer-rapists
charts. My code repository: https://github.com/nadezhdin-ivan/shdt
. Please use personal message if you need any additional info. Thank
Ray Murphy: I've just had a look at the serial killers (more
than one murder) and was able to use 1642 with birth dates showing.
've just had a look at the serial killers (more than one murder) and
was able to use 1642 with birth dates showing. I found it a bit slow
converting the file into an astrology research file (CSV format)
because the number of tab-delimited fields in your data varies.
I noticed that there are more Suns in tropical Leo + Aquarius, but
not enough to be impressive.
I also looked at aspects and found these:
(1) SUN con MOO < 10 degs =26% above the theoretical mean
(2) MOO con URA < 6 degs = 35% above the theoretical mean
These two things look very interesting indeed.
wired differently (Yes, all individual brains are wired
differently of course. So what? Have you ever studied Brain's
anatomy, before you claim to pretend to understand the individual
exceptions? Only fools can do claims like this).
- Ray Murphy: This is a serious question, and it may even be
saying something about me to be asking it, but have other posters
noticed that besides the expected differences between people due to
chart factors and environment, that some people have difficulty in
accepting or even comprehending a FEW standard thought patterns or
I had never noticed it until several years ago, and then I
encountered several people like it.
Three Little Birds: Do you have an example? I think I
understand your question but I'd rather be sure.
Leo become Taurus if he wishes to ?
in astrology (See also Geoffrey Cornelius: The Moment of
Astrology. Origins in Divination)
Basically I look at astrology as a symbolic language, with the
horoscope as a graphic form of communication; and how our space and
time concepts expand as we learn a new language. I propose a
holistic interpretation of planet-human interactions, rather than a
linear cause-and-effect model.
Bias - does it undermine astrology?
- Apostrophe: I have been through quite a dramatic shift in
my worldview in the past few years, vaguely summarized by a
questioning of faith based belief systems like religion and
astrology and a greater reliance on critical thinking and science.
Lee Rutland: Well, unfortunately, confirmation bias is used
in every field, from history, to the Theory of Evolution, to global
warming. There is no escaping it.
prediction in astrology
- Forum Admin: Chart deleted by moderator, rule violation.
Forum Admin: Be sure that we would not permit the planning of
war, murder or suicide on the forum. Not everything needs to be
written in the rules, we can make them up as situations come along.
We also expect some common sense in this community. As can be seen
in many responses, it is in fact there. We have nothing against
astrologers doing predicions of any kind in their private office,
sitting face to face with their clients whom they have known over a
long time, and who are paying them. There, they may predict illness
and death as much as their client is willing to take. What an
astrologers does in his practice is within his domain of
responsibility. What is clear to me is that astrologers who play the
game of death prediction are not in it "to help their clients".
They are in it because they feel it gives them tremendous power.
This power game has been played by some astrologers since
millennia. Just do not play it on our forum.
Waybread: Horary astrology operates differently, but if
anyone here has mastered its methods sufficiently to confidently
assert the snuff-out date for another human being, they can do this
in some other venue. (Really? What is the evidence?)
Are you "low" in a given element in your chart-- or do you
care about someone in this situation? How does it manifest? (Asking
for the confirmation bias)
and astrology- share your thoughts
I took an Enneagram
Personality Test and came up as a Type 4 (The Romantic/Artist)
with Type 2 (The Helper) being the next highest result--all others
were so low that they did not even count. Since Enneagram testing
takes one's Sun Sign into account, how accurate is this field of
study in fleshing out one's personal understanding of the self?
all astrology valid?
- Ed Falis Member Posts: 592 Gender: male
« Reply #5 - on: 27.11.2020 at 22:22 [UT] »
I think of astrology as being most closely analogous to math and its
Both are formal symbolic systems with methods for manipulating their
symbols. Those rules, which ultimately are based on assumptions, are
applied to various fields (eg medical astrology, etc). The astrology
case of doing that is broadly similar to applied math for science
and engineering (and less formal use).
In both cases, all levels are subject to learning through
experience, and development over time. Fundamental math and science
have better developed methodology (the study of methods) than
astrology does. But they are still subject to these constraints.
Both have applications that can be better or worse developed. Both
can have more or less rigorous methods for assessing "logical"
consistency, and for assessing accuracy and precision of their
representations and their use.
So it's only natural that like math and its application, astrology
has fields where the state of knowledge is more or less developed
and valid vs bunkum.
I find the above a useful and practical way of thinking about
astrology and its nature. The "royal sciences".
I wonder if Ed ever studied Kahneman
Fast And Slow Thinking explained.
- Het belangrijkste inzicht uit het werk van
Daniel Kahneman is dat hij heeft aangetoond dat ons brein eigenlijk
twee modus operandi heeft. Hij heeft die systeem 1 en 2 genoemd. Dit
zijn de verschillen tussen die twee denkprocessen in ons brein:
KENMERKEN: onbewust, automatisch, moeiteloos
ZONDER bewustzijn of controle .Wat je ziet, is
alles wat er is..
ROL: Evalueert de situatie en levert updates
Maakt 98% van
ons denken uit
KENMERKEN: doordacht en bewust, een
gecontroleerd denkproces dat moeite kost, rationeel denken
MET zelfbewustzijn of controle, logisch en
ROL: zoekt nieuwe/missende informatie, neemt
ons denken uit
Wat maakt dat uit? Alles, maar soms niets.
Een gokker kan immers altijd geluk krijgen. Maar niet op de lange
of ADB data for research
did you learn astrology?
do you check your conclusions?
is astrology research done by the researchers?
astrology didn't exist, how could we start?
Astrology - Martin Schulman
and astrology of personality
survey: Is astrology "scientific"?
Distributions Of 219 Psychologists' Charts
categorizing ideas wanted for research
advances in scientific astrology
a chart - a challenge
a chart candidate Jetty Cantor
- Ganglion: The
next candidate is a Dutch Jewish violinist and cabaret maker, who
survived the Holocaust thanks to her playing music for time.
- Anyone using Jigsaw or Astrodatabank?
- Finding provable categories
- Gauquelin 1472 Painters
- Suicide - Sun-Sun
Testing of Astrology
- Research and discussssion
Consciousness, the Path of Destiny :
Hemisphere astrology - burning question
Huber Approach to Astrology
vedic or sidereal western astrology
lots of marriage date data :
Astrology Add-Ons in the last 150 years
does the chart NOT show?
- Alois: It
does not show your intelligence, your wealth, your weight or height,
your education, your health, the colour of your skin, whether you
are a Saint, a Nazi, a Communist, a Trumpist or a normal person, and
many other concrete things.
Can Overpower Pluto ?
The slow planet Pluto certainly deals with long-standing planetary
(becoming unconscious cosmic) influences. Slow changes that easily
could trap you. Slow influences/changes could become unnoticed
Frog Experiment :: What do you think is the frog's fate? Watch more.
houses vs other house systems